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As an antidote to the broken washer, I want to talk a little about the Fourth Street Fantasy Convention. Please note that the pre-registration deadline has been extended to May 31st.

One or two people have asked about the name, so here's the history as I recall it. There's a cartoon depicting a row of restaurants, with signs in order like this: "Best pizza in the city," "Best pizza in the country," "Best pizza on the planet," "Best pizza in the galaxy," and the last one, a tiny place with a long line of people outside it, says simply, "Best pizza on the block." During our first couple of years, Fourth Street was in a downtown hotel on, in fact, Fourth Street, and we used the motto "Best fantasy convention on the block" to indicate the combination of humility and ambition that we brought to the project.

Other people probably would tell this differently, but that's how I recall it.

I was supposed to write an essay months ago for the website, but I have been finding it difficult to bring up coherent memories. Fourth Street was a great deal like disappearing under the hill, visiting the very far lands of Faerie. It was, at least, if Faerie had chocolate-covered coffee beans and a wedding party leaving at six a.m. so that the participants, including the bride and groom, could be back at the convention for the start of panels at ten; if Faerie included Samuel Delany, leaving in the middle of a panel to catch his plane home and stopping the standing ovation he was getting with the startling words, "No, no, sit down and do what you're doing. This is valuable work"; if Faerie included Jane Yolen and Patricia McKillip doing a joint guest of honor speech; if it included Patrick Nielsen Hayden standing up out of the audience and demolishing the entire premise of a panel and providing a new one, all in a paragraph; if it included a membership so involved in the programming that moderators were sometimes obliged to say they would take only questions, not comments, until later in the hour; if it included sitting around at five in the morning while music was still going on in the other room, discussing simultaneously Dorothy Dunnett, the vagaries and virtues of fountain pens, the flavors of jelly beans, and the proper use of violence in fantasy. A few local writers, both established and aspiring, used to leave early on Sunday, followed by the pleas of their friends to stay longer, because the programming had made them want to do nothing except go home and write. Cally Soukup once stayed up for 72 hours straight at a Fourth Street, because there was always somebody to talk to.

It's ten years later now, and we're all different, and some of us are gone, but we're going to try to recapture that feeling. Elizabeth Bear, known to many of you as [livejournal.com profile] matociquala, is our guest of honor, and long before this revival was thought of, reading her journal used to remind me of Fourth Street.

I'm looking forward to it with the same mixture of glee and trepidation as I always did -- it would take me a long way away and sometimes send me home again unsettled. It doesn't matter if you recognize any of the names I mention above. If you love fantasy, or are curious about it, do think about coming.

Pamela

Date: 2008-05-14 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inlaterdays.livejournal.com
if Faerie had chocolate-covered coffee beans and a wedding party leaving at six a.m. so that the participants, including the bride and groom, could be back at the convention for the start of panels at ten

I just want you to know that I love this mental image. A lot.

That morning is steeped in my mind

Date: 2008-05-27 11:37 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
And then there were those of us who happened to be up early due to habit, knew nothing of the wedding (and wondered what all these other folks were doing up at such an unconventional hour), and had not previously experimented with those chocolate covered go-go-go beans. So coffee was brewed, and then you all left, and a learning happened about combining coffee in mutiple forms, one of which doesn't taste like coffee...

Martin "the buzzing finally tapered off in time for dinner" Maney

See you next month!

Date: 2008-05-14 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com
Of all the cons I have to miss due to being in debt, it hurts the worst to miss this one.

Hoping there will be much con reportage!

Date: 2008-05-14 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com
Oh, that would be wonderful!

Date: 2008-05-14 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faithhopetricks.livejournal.com
OMG YES PLZ IF YOU CAN

Date: 2008-05-14 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenkay.livejournal.com
You know, this isn't my thing at all, but your description really makes me want to go!

Date: 2008-05-14 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karenkay.livejournal.com
I really have no interest in reading fantasy (except yours), and all my energy these days is spent breathing in and out. But it sounds like a LOT of fun. And I can see from your description that the company is definitely interesting.

Date: 2008-05-14 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mjlayman.livejournal.com
I almost never go to programmimg at Minicon. I sit and talk to people. :)

Date: 2008-05-14 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mjlayman.livejournal.com
Well, I sit behind the con sales table and last year the volunteers table, too, but I still sit and talk!

Date: 2008-05-14 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com
I am both honored and excited to be a part of this thing, just so you know.

Date: 2008-05-14 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aamcnamara.livejournal.com
Oh, goodness. Now I'm even more sad that I can't go to Fourth Street. It's made even worse by the fact that I live in the area, yet will be a thousand miles (plus) away at the time of the con.

Do you think that it'll happen next year?

(Hi. I'm Alena. I read your books, and had you sign Tam Lin for me last year at Minicon--but then, I'm sure you signed a lot of copies of Tam Lin last year at Minicon.)

Date: 2008-05-14 11:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aliseadae
oh, I do hope to convince my parents that 'yes, though I'm leaving for college spending forty dollars on fourth street is a Good Idea.' and then I could go and tell you about it, Alena. Also, if that by attending I might make it more likely to happen next year, that would be nice.

(to Pamela Dean, I'm Sally, my writer-friending journal is whimsicaloxlin (aliseadae is the one I'm usually logged in to.) I read your books (right now I'm reading Juniper, Gentian and Rosemary which I usually call 'Junie, Genny and Rosie') Err. I was at Minicon 42 also and also had Tam Lin signed and we may have spoken about Carleton whilst you signed it. Alena was present while my copy was signed but I may not have been present while her copy was signed.)

Date: 2008-05-14 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magentamn.livejournal.com
Historical note. As I have heard, the first 4th St was in a hotel on 4th St, across from the Minneapolis Public Library. Whence cometh the name.

I never managed to make any of them. I am so glad I will be able to go to this one.

Positively fourth street

Date: 2008-05-14 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] markiv1111.livejournal.com
This does sound like a lot of fun; the ones I attended always had been. But then, there is the incontrovertible fact that I am no longer a writer, and my needs and priorities have changed. To top it off, Louie and I are joint guests of honor at a New Jersey filk con, ConTata, the same weekend -- which is really just as well, as I think I would have wanted to attend Fourth Street, would have tried to portray myself as someone who would enjoy and benefit from the con, and it would have hurt. A lot. But have a good time for me, and I will read the con reports.

Nate

Re: Positively fourth street

Date: 2008-05-14 01:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunsen-h.livejournal.com
I went to Fourth Street several times, and had a wonderful time, and I'm not a writer. I got all the "benefit from the con" that I could have wanted: good programming, good conversations, time spent with friends. The only reason I'm not going this year, now that the convention has been resurrected, is that I'd already got a membership for Contata. :-)

Re: Positively fourth street

Date: 2008-05-29 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladymondegreen.livejournal.com
I have to say, I'm the con chair of Contata, and Fourth Street sounds like a little piece of heaven. I hope our con goes as swimmingly.

Have a wonderful time and we will return [livejournal.com profile] bunsen_h, Louie and [livejournal.com profile] markiv1111 in good condition and full of new stories.

Date: 2008-05-14 02:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lcohen
there just Isn't Any Way (my fiscal year will be drawing to a close and i will be busier than a beaver) but i imagine it will be wonderful and look forward to reading con reports and being consumed with envy.

Date: 2008-05-14 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faithhopetricks.livejournal.com
sitting around at five in the morning while music was still going on in the other room, discussing simultaneously Dorothy Dunnett, the vagaries and virtues of fountain pens, the flavors of jelly beans, and the proper use of violence in fantasy

Ohhh, wow. That's the real magic.

(If I left my apartment regularly, I'd SO be there.)

Date: 2008-05-14 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mizkit.livejournal.com
Maaaaaan. I wish the stars were aligned so I could go to this. Maybe next year...

Alas

Date: 2008-05-14 09:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Because I spend summers in Scotland (I know--a hardknock life!) I can't be at 4th Street. But what I remember most is that it was single track programming so EVERYONE got to be in on everything. And one panel spilled over, looped back, encapsuled, encoded, nestled around, spooned another.

And I remember Terri Windling spelling out what it meant to live the true, committed, enchanted life. And I put my head down and wept because I was so mundane at the core.

Jane

Date: 2008-05-14 10:39 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oursin.livejournal.com
I'm just so excited that things have fallen out so that I can get to this!

Date: 2008-05-14 09:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gwynnega
This sounds amazing!

Date: 2008-05-15 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dsgood.livejournal.com
At the second Fourth Street, I overheard someone lamenting that the con wasn't as good as in the Good Old Days. Which might have been a record, till the first CONvergence got complaints that it had gone downhill since the Good Old Days.

I won't be at this Fourth Street. The "fixed" in "fixed income" doesn't quite mean the same as "fixed" in "fixed cat," but sometimes it seems that way.

Date: 2008-05-16 01:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laurel
I was up right there with Cally that year. Hee!

Hope you don't mind I quoted this on the Fourth Street website, gotta get more good words and I think you captured it well here.

Date: 2008-05-17 02:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] boxofdelights
I'm going to be there, and I'm bringing the local 15-year-old. I hope we'll get to spend some time with you.

Date: 2008-05-17 06:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] boxofdelights
No no, we've never met! I'm just a fan who loves your books. I shared a room with Lydy two Wiscons ago, and Elise stopped at my house on her rail Expotition awhile back, so I expect we'll be introduced at some point. But 'Pamela Dean will be there' was a factor in my daughter's decision to accompany me, so I hope she'll get to converse with you.

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Date: 2008-05-22 10:59 pm (UTC)
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