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Below the cut is a tedious brief account of the process of writing the book once known as Going North, followed by the most lamentable comedy that is the latest news of what I have to be doing with it to get it to publication.



I haven't checked the dates with my records, so they may be amiss.

In 2004, I sighed a contract to write a joint sequel to my previous novels The Whim of the Dragon and The Dubious Hills. The sanity and sense of this have been variously described. David said, temperately, "That'll be interesting." Eric remarked on the fact that I was bringing together the peculiar metaphysics of the Secret Country books and the even more peculiar epistemology of the Dubious Hills. But I wanted Ruth, one of the protagonists of Whim, and Arry, the sole viewpoint character and protagonist of Hills, to meet.

I had not finished a story since I turned in Juniper, Gentian, and Rosemary, which I think happened in 1997. I had started a lot of things and let them drop. I was neurotic in the extreme about writing this book. I was also using a new program that I was not at all in love with. So I refused to set up a master document in Open Office, which would have made getting a word-count as I went along a matter of two mouse clicks; and I refused too to do word-counts of individual chapters. David regularly threatened me with a screensaver or wallpaper or other versions of a task bar with the word count on it, and I refused to have anything to do with that.

I wrote and wrote and wrote. Some of the chapters were written in longhand in a composition book because I pulled a muscle in my shoulder and couldn't type. Most started out on the computer. Time went on. I did research and wrote up a proposal for a different novel. I researched the origin and organization of libraries, the weather and flora of Pennsylvania, the structure of educational institutions, walled gardens and gardening, shape-shifters, and the history of the printed word.

Ruth and Arry finally met, which gloriously altered the plot. I think the book was originally supposed to come out in 2007, but it may have been 2006. I missed that deadline, and a host of others. This utterly upset my editor's plans for bringing out a sequel within a reasonable time from having reissued Whim, and obliged her to continually put off reissuing Hills. She did not threaten or even scold me. At last, on New Year's Day of 2008, I sent off the manuscript.

While I was printing it, I emailed Sharyn and said that I was afraid it was a little long. She asked how long. So, at that point, after using Open Office for four years, I poked around and found out how to do a word count. Two hundred and fifty thousand words. Oh, well, I thought, that explains why it took so long. That's two books really. Sharyn concurred with this judgement and told me to split the book any way I liked. I worked on this, complaining about having to do an extra last chapter for the first volume and an extra first chapter for the second, but happy enough on the whole. I brought a lot of lurking subplots up to the surface and developed a lot of secondary characters, and put in a great many beginnings of other stories that would be fulfilled in the sequel -- what Ted (Ruth's cousin) was doing politically in the Secret Country, what Con (Arry's sister) was depredating in her quest to learn magic. I poked into the cultures of the various students at Heathwill Library. I tried to fathom some of the more arcane features of the Secret Country universe.

I sent off the first volume, still called Going North, to Sharyn in September of 2008, and the second, called Abiding Reflection, in April, I think, of 2009.

On September 1, Sharyn told me that she had talked with the person in charge of figuring out such things, and been told that two-volume fantasy novels that were not extremely commercial were tanking, and we really could not do this as a two-volume novel. I should, instead, cut the whole thing back to one volume.

I did not receive this news well at all. Eric heroically began to read the book again to help me figure out what could go. I spent quite some time thinking about revising it in terms that I hated using -- weight loss (ugh, ugh, ugh), carving a statue out of an existing statue, shaving, pruning, cutting. I really hated even thinking about it. I had got as far as deciding that the book would need to begin seven or eight chapters in from where I had started it when I decided to ask Sharyn what my upper word limit was. I knew they really liked 100,000 and that 250,000 was too long, since that had been the length of the first version. But I was hoping to maybe sneak up on 225,000, something like that. I had, in the two-volume version, about 370,000 words.

Sharyn relayed from the oracle that 100,000 words is already long for a YA novel, especially a complex or dense one, so I should really try for that length. and no more.

Oddly, this was not nearly the crushing blow that the original revelation had been. No dieting, shaving, carving, cutting, or pruning would retain the shape of either original version at 100,000 words. I would have to do something completely different. Secondary characters, subplots, hints at the sequel, would all have to go. This was a more dramatic set of changes, but thinking about it wasn't nearly so traumatic.

Apparently, to rejuvenate my writing skills, I needed to write a great huge sprawling set of scenes that could be sifted through for a shorter story. I used to do this in my head, but apparently my head wasn't interested in hosting a great sprawl this time around. I hope it will consent to do so next time, since this matter of taking five years to write a kind of variable star of a book, that swells up and then shrinks down again, is not really one I am comfortable with.

I have already had to do this once. The Whim of the Dragon was something like 200,000 words when I turned it in initially, and I had hopes of making it into two volumes. This idea was vehemently squashed by the publisher (not the same as my current publisher). They had, moreover, just fired my editor and were not actually interested in advising me about how to go about shrinking the book. I was just to do it, and not to be too slow about it, either. I did, and it's actually quite a good book, I think. But working on it was fairly hellish. I expect this time to be much better, and not just because I have the experience.

I think that several of my beta readers will hail this news with relief, while others will perhaps feel dismay. Sympathy is very welcome, but please do not snark about my publisher or editor, who are doing their very best for me, rather than leaving me to wander alone in the mirk. There is not necessarily a need to mourn all the cut characters and subplots, since some of them can go very handily into the sequel. Furthermore, I have the two-volume version safe in multiple backups, so that at some point it may perhaps be allowed to step out into the world.

I am sorry that the book will be even further delayed. I'll put it together (again) as fast as I can.

Pamela
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Date: 2009-10-14 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] markiv1111.livejournal.com
There are times that I am very, very glad that I ultimately did not become a "real" writer (one who does novels) and this is one of them. I would not trade you places *at all* right now. Note that, though my plots were frequently weak in any event, I was never good at doing my own deletes, and I think I would consider being in your exact situation nightmarish. It would not surprise me at all, though, if I were in that situation, that I would not want snarking about your publisher or editor. There is frequently a big clash between what people want to do artistically, and what will sell. (Like it or not, I have had to deal with this as a commercial musician.) In any event, hang in there and please keep us posted.

Nate

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Date: 2009-10-14 08:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] carbonel
Sympathy is offered, and I have just sent e-mail.

Date: 2009-10-14 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thomasyan.livejournal.com
My deepest sympathies.

ETA: Maybe you'll get a smile from 3 cats 1 steak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGgk6_OZlc0)
Edited Date: 2009-10-14 10:50 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-10-14 08:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oursin.livejournal.com
Aaaaargh - sympathies. Especially having gone through a not dissimilar process myself with the biography.

Though me, I am looking forward to whatever the equivalent of the Director's Cut is, in due course...

Date: 2009-10-14 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wild-irises.livejournal.com
Yes, that. Save everything.

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Date: 2009-10-14 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Oh, uff da, honey, what a thing.

Date: 2009-10-14 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com
What she said. Or in my native idiom, "Ah. That was a long poke."

Strength to your hand.

Date: 2009-10-14 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredcritter.livejournal.com

…we really could not do this as a two-volume novel. I should, instead, cut the whole thing back to one volume.

OMG! Worse than the justice of Solomon, methinks. Although, as you say, 'tis not the fault of your wonderful editor and your publisher. While publishers' scouts are not always right about prevailing market conditions and what will sell (e.g., “What the great cheese-eating American public wants is a story of resolved conflict concerning young contemporary America couples earning over ten thousand dollars a year. But nothing sordid, controversial, outré, or passé.”), I reckon there's a better than even chance they are at least in the ballpark much of the time.

I can understand that a truly giant reduction in size is somehow easier than a ruthless pruning, but this whole thing is painful. You have my empathy, and my hugs. As always.

Date: 2009-10-14 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlekodama.livejournal.com
Ugh. How awful. Its too bad books cannot come out like movies, the regular version and then the gigantic big directors version so at least we can read all the extra delightful things the author has created but the editors have cut.

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Date: 2009-10-14 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com
Whoa. *wishing you plenty of strength and inspiration*

Date: 2009-10-14 08:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosefox
Ah, my sympathies. I hope the surgery goes well.

Date: 2009-10-14 09:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aedifica
Oh ow! I wish you fortitude for the revisions. I'm glad you brought up the comparison to The Whim of the Dragon, because I agree, it did turn out quite well--I never would have guessed there was originally supposed to be so much more. That gives me something happier to compare the new Going North to.

I'd still love to read the two-volume version of this one sometime, though. I hope that will be possible someday.

Date: 2009-10-14 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marydell.livejournal.com
Wow. Much sympathy, but I'm glad you're able to approach it without all those unhappy-making metaphors. It sounds a bit like playing with a bin of legos and making a castle from a subset of what's in the bin. Legos that you have laboriously carved by hand out of shiny rocks.

Also it sounds just hellaciously cool, at any length. I wish I was a fast enough reader to beta-read novels because I would love to see all the iterations.
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Date: 2009-10-14 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mizkit.livejournal.com
*pathetically* They couldn't have said "Make it 3 books instead"? */pathetic* Ah well, best of luck and I will snatch it up the moment it comes out, because Ruth is one of my favorite characters ever and the Secret Country books would go on my list of Desert Island Books.

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Date: 2009-10-14 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lakeboy-55.livejournal.com
The problem seems to be that, you do what you want, and not what others think you should. I'm sure that the truncated/new volume will be as entrancing as your previous efforts. And, despite what someone said about it being too bad that they don't ever publish the "directors version", of books, I do believe that it occasionally does happen. I'm looking forward to whatever comes out of your metaphorical pen.

Not being a writer, I can't feel your pain as clearly as others, but working on construction projects where the budget is a moving target, has to be a close second.

Date: 2009-10-14 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lakeboy-55.livejournal.com
Oops, forgot to mention that I especially like the freudian slip in the first sentence above, "In 2004, I sighed a contract..."

Date: 2009-10-14 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kylecassidy.livejournal.com
but now you have a SUPER COLLECTORS EDITION that you can sell hand bound copies of for $300!

Date: 2009-10-14 09:30 pm (UTC)
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This is pretty much what I was going to say. :)

Make sure it's leatherbound (and gagged?), slipcased, numbered (use complex numbers, just for fun), illustrated, gold leafed, and signed.

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Date: 2009-10-14 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] careswen.livejournal.com
Well goodness gracious. I'm sorry that the lamentable comedy continues, and I look forward to the thrilling conclusion.

Date: 2009-10-14 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inlaterdays.livejournal.com
I am looking forward to reading both the shorter and (hopefully, someday!) the longer versions, but I am very sorry about the pain the process entails. That sounds like about as much fun as having teeth pulled.

Date: 2009-10-14 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comrade-cat.livejournal.com
I am looking forward to it in whatever form it ends up in! (Or even 2 different forms...) The Dubious Hills remains my favourite of your books.

Date: 2009-10-14 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faithhopetricks.livejournal.com
two-volume fantasy novels that were not extremely commercial were tanking

But but _I_ would buy it! I would buy lots and lots of copies! So would other people! Dude, when I heard 'new Pamela Dean novel' I turned into the literary equivalent of Daffy Duck. MINE MINE MINE.

I have the two-volume version safe in multiple backups

I am very glad of that. Well. Damn. I wish you strength and inspiration and fortitude, as well.

Date: 2009-10-14 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuki-onna.livejournal.com
Oh man, my sympathies!

Date: 2009-10-14 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyrzqxgl.livejournal.com
Argh ARGH AAARRRGGHH!!! It sounds wonderful as it is or as a trilogy!

I'm really sorry

Date: 2009-10-14 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalliope-us.livejournal.com
I hope I will have a chance at some point to read all versions of the novel(s). Like they do for DVDs, you know? I'm sure they are all good, because you are such a good writer. But I could not bear NOT to read something you had written.

Date: 2009-10-14 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skzbrust.livejournal.com
I will respect your wish and not be mad at publisher or editor. Is it all right to be mad at the state of the industry in general? I am not at all pleased. I liked the book I read a lot. A lot.

I am also wincing in sympathy. And grumbling. I don't suppose there is any chance that, instead of cutting it, you can expand the number of volumes? No, didn't think so. Mumph.

I have no doubt whatsoever that you can do a magnificent job of this, I just wish you didn't have to. I keep remember what Zelazny said about "The Last Defender of Camelot" in his introduction to that story.

Date: 2009-10-14 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com
What a nightmare.

When you say that the cut characters and subplots could go into a sequel, do you mean "a sequel is possible if the first is outstandingly successful," or what?

Date: 2009-10-14 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mjlayman.livejournal.com
I've had the earlier books set out to reread before the new ones for a long time. I guess they'll stay there for a bit longer.

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