Below the cut is a tedious brief account of the process of writing the book once known as Going North, followed by the most lamentable comedy that is the latest news of what I have to be doing with it to get it to publication.
I haven't checked the dates with my records, so they may be amiss.
In 2004, I sighed a contract to write a joint sequel to my previous novels The Whim of the Dragon and The Dubious Hills. The sanity and sense of this have been variously described. David said, temperately, "That'll be interesting." Eric remarked on the fact that I was bringing together the peculiar metaphysics of the Secret Country books and the even more peculiar epistemology of the Dubious Hills. But I wanted Ruth, one of the protagonists of Whim, and Arry, the sole viewpoint character and protagonist of Hills, to meet.
I had not finished a story since I turned in Juniper, Gentian, and Rosemary, which I think happened in 1997. I had started a lot of things and let them drop. I was neurotic in the extreme about writing this book. I was also using a new program that I was not at all in love with. So I refused to set up a master document in Open Office, which would have made getting a word-count as I went along a matter of two mouse clicks; and I refused too to do word-counts of individual chapters. David regularly threatened me with a screensaver or wallpaper or other versions of a task bar with the word count on it, and I refused to have anything to do with that.
I wrote and wrote and wrote. Some of the chapters were written in longhand in a composition book because I pulled a muscle in my shoulder and couldn't type. Most started out on the computer. Time went on. I did research and wrote up a proposal for a different novel. I researched the origin and organization of libraries, the weather and flora of Pennsylvania, the structure of educational institutions, walled gardens and gardening, shape-shifters, and the history of the printed word.
Ruth and Arry finally met, which gloriously altered the plot. I think the book was originally supposed to come out in 2007, but it may have been 2006. I missed that deadline, and a host of others. This utterly upset my editor's plans for bringing out a sequel within a reasonable time from having reissued Whim, and obliged her to continually put off reissuing Hills. She did not threaten or even scold me. At last, on New Year's Day of 2008, I sent off the manuscript.
While I was printing it, I emailed Sharyn and said that I was afraid it was a little long. She asked how long. So, at that point, after using Open Office for four years, I poked around and found out how to do a word count. Two hundred and fifty thousand words. Oh, well, I thought, that explains why it took so long. That's two books really. Sharyn concurred with this judgement and told me to split the book any way I liked. I worked on this, complaining about having to do an extra last chapter for the first volume and an extra first chapter for the second, but happy enough on the whole. I brought a lot of lurking subplots up to the surface and developed a lot of secondary characters, and put in a great many beginnings of other stories that would be fulfilled in the sequel -- what Ted (Ruth's cousin) was doing politically in the Secret Country, what Con (Arry's sister) was depredating in her quest to learn magic. I poked into the cultures of the various students at Heathwill Library. I tried to fathom some of the more arcane features of the Secret Country universe.
I sent off the first volume, still called Going North, to Sharyn in September of 2008, and the second, called Abiding Reflection, in April, I think, of 2009.
On September 1, Sharyn told me that she had talked with the person in charge of figuring out such things, and been told that two-volume fantasy novels that were not extremely commercial were tanking, and we really could not do this as a two-volume novel. I should, instead, cut the whole thing back to one volume.
I did not receive this news well at all. Eric heroically began to read the book again to help me figure out what could go. I spent quite some time thinking about revising it in terms that I hated using -- weight loss (ugh, ugh, ugh), carving a statue out of an existing statue, shaving, pruning, cutting. I really hated even thinking about it. I had got as far as deciding that the book would need to begin seven or eight chapters in from where I had started it when I decided to ask Sharyn what my upper word limit was. I knew they really liked 100,000 and that 250,000 was too long, since that had been the length of the first version. But I was hoping to maybe sneak up on 225,000, something like that. I had, in the two-volume version, about 370,000 words.
Sharyn relayed from the oracle that 100,000 words is already long for a YA novel, especially a complex or dense one, so I should really try for that length. and no more.
Oddly, this was not nearly the crushing blow that the original revelation had been. No dieting, shaving, carving, cutting, or pruning would retain the shape of either original version at 100,000 words. I would have to do something completely different. Secondary characters, subplots, hints at the sequel, would all have to go. This was a more dramatic set of changes, but thinking about it wasn't nearly so traumatic.
Apparently, to rejuvenate my writing skills, I needed to write a great huge sprawling set of scenes that could be sifted through for a shorter story. I used to do this in my head, but apparently my head wasn't interested in hosting a great sprawl this time around. I hope it will consent to do so next time, since this matter of taking five years to write a kind of variable star of a book, that swells up and then shrinks down again, is not really one I am comfortable with.
I have already had to do this once. The Whim of the Dragon was something like 200,000 words when I turned it in initially, and I had hopes of making it into two volumes. This idea was vehemently squashed by the publisher (not the same as my current publisher). They had, moreover, just fired my editor and were not actually interested in advising me about how to go about shrinking the book. I was just to do it, and not to be too slow about it, either. I did, and it's actually quite a good book, I think. But working on it was fairly hellish. I expect this time to be much better, and not just because I have the experience.
I think that several of my beta readers will hail this news with relief, while others will perhaps feel dismay. Sympathy is very welcome, but please do not snark about my publisher or editor, who are doing their very best for me, rather than leaving me to wander alone in the mirk. There is not necessarily a need to mourn all the cut characters and subplots, since some of them can go very handily into the sequel. Furthermore, I have the two-volume version safe in multiple backups, so that at some point it may perhaps be allowed to step out into the world.
I am sorry that the book will be even further delayed. I'll put it together (again) as fast as I can.
Pamela
I haven't checked the dates with my records, so they may be amiss.
In 2004, I sighed a contract to write a joint sequel to my previous novels The Whim of the Dragon and The Dubious Hills. The sanity and sense of this have been variously described. David said, temperately, "That'll be interesting." Eric remarked on the fact that I was bringing together the peculiar metaphysics of the Secret Country books and the even more peculiar epistemology of the Dubious Hills. But I wanted Ruth, one of the protagonists of Whim, and Arry, the sole viewpoint character and protagonist of Hills, to meet.
I had not finished a story since I turned in Juniper, Gentian, and Rosemary, which I think happened in 1997. I had started a lot of things and let them drop. I was neurotic in the extreme about writing this book. I was also using a new program that I was not at all in love with. So I refused to set up a master document in Open Office, which would have made getting a word-count as I went along a matter of two mouse clicks; and I refused too to do word-counts of individual chapters. David regularly threatened me with a screensaver or wallpaper or other versions of a task bar with the word count on it, and I refused to have anything to do with that.
I wrote and wrote and wrote. Some of the chapters were written in longhand in a composition book because I pulled a muscle in my shoulder and couldn't type. Most started out on the computer. Time went on. I did research and wrote up a proposal for a different novel. I researched the origin and organization of libraries, the weather and flora of Pennsylvania, the structure of educational institutions, walled gardens and gardening, shape-shifters, and the history of the printed word.
Ruth and Arry finally met, which gloriously altered the plot. I think the book was originally supposed to come out in 2007, but it may have been 2006. I missed that deadline, and a host of others. This utterly upset my editor's plans for bringing out a sequel within a reasonable time from having reissued Whim, and obliged her to continually put off reissuing Hills. She did not threaten or even scold me. At last, on New Year's Day of 2008, I sent off the manuscript.
While I was printing it, I emailed Sharyn and said that I was afraid it was a little long. She asked how long. So, at that point, after using Open Office for four years, I poked around and found out how to do a word count. Two hundred and fifty thousand words. Oh, well, I thought, that explains why it took so long. That's two books really. Sharyn concurred with this judgement and told me to split the book any way I liked. I worked on this, complaining about having to do an extra last chapter for the first volume and an extra first chapter for the second, but happy enough on the whole. I brought a lot of lurking subplots up to the surface and developed a lot of secondary characters, and put in a great many beginnings of other stories that would be fulfilled in the sequel -- what Ted (Ruth's cousin) was doing politically in the Secret Country, what Con (Arry's sister) was depredating in her quest to learn magic. I poked into the cultures of the various students at Heathwill Library. I tried to fathom some of the more arcane features of the Secret Country universe.
I sent off the first volume, still called Going North, to Sharyn in September of 2008, and the second, called Abiding Reflection, in April, I think, of 2009.
On September 1, Sharyn told me that she had talked with the person in charge of figuring out such things, and been told that two-volume fantasy novels that were not extremely commercial were tanking, and we really could not do this as a two-volume novel. I should, instead, cut the whole thing back to one volume.
I did not receive this news well at all. Eric heroically began to read the book again to help me figure out what could go. I spent quite some time thinking about revising it in terms that I hated using -- weight loss (ugh, ugh, ugh), carving a statue out of an existing statue, shaving, pruning, cutting. I really hated even thinking about it. I had got as far as deciding that the book would need to begin seven or eight chapters in from where I had started it when I decided to ask Sharyn what my upper word limit was. I knew they really liked 100,000 and that 250,000 was too long, since that had been the length of the first version. But I was hoping to maybe sneak up on 225,000, something like that. I had, in the two-volume version, about 370,000 words.
Sharyn relayed from the oracle that 100,000 words is already long for a YA novel, especially a complex or dense one, so I should really try for that length. and no more.
Oddly, this was not nearly the crushing blow that the original revelation had been. No dieting, shaving, carving, cutting, or pruning would retain the shape of either original version at 100,000 words. I would have to do something completely different. Secondary characters, subplots, hints at the sequel, would all have to go. This was a more dramatic set of changes, but thinking about it wasn't nearly so traumatic.
Apparently, to rejuvenate my writing skills, I needed to write a great huge sprawling set of scenes that could be sifted through for a shorter story. I used to do this in my head, but apparently my head wasn't interested in hosting a great sprawl this time around. I hope it will consent to do so next time, since this matter of taking five years to write a kind of variable star of a book, that swells up and then shrinks down again, is not really one I am comfortable with.
I have already had to do this once. The Whim of the Dragon was something like 200,000 words when I turned it in initially, and I had hopes of making it into two volumes. This idea was vehemently squashed by the publisher (not the same as my current publisher). They had, moreover, just fired my editor and were not actually interested in advising me about how to go about shrinking the book. I was just to do it, and not to be too slow about it, either. I did, and it's actually quite a good book, I think. But working on it was fairly hellish. I expect this time to be much better, and not just because I have the experience.
I think that several of my beta readers will hail this news with relief, while others will perhaps feel dismay. Sympathy is very welcome, but please do not snark about my publisher or editor, who are doing their very best for me, rather than leaving me to wander alone in the mirk. There is not necessarily a need to mourn all the cut characters and subplots, since some of them can go very handily into the sequel. Furthermore, I have the two-volume version safe in multiple backups, so that at some point it may perhaps be allowed to step out into the world.
I am sorry that the book will be even further delayed. I'll put it together (again) as fast as I can.
Pamela
Your novel
Date: 2009-10-14 08:08 pm (UTC)Nate
Re: Your novel
Date: 2009-10-15 01:06 am (UTC)Luckily, there are a lot of different things that work artistically for this story.
P.
Re: Your novel
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Date: 2009-10-14 08:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-15 01:07 am (UTC)I know I said in the email that I wanted to change the last chapter, but if you would rather have it with the defective one, I can do that too.
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Date: 2009-10-14 08:19 pm (UTC)ETA: Maybe you'll get a smile from 3 cats 1 steak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGgk6_OZlc0)
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Date: 2009-10-15 01:12 am (UTC)P.
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Date: 2009-10-14 08:19 pm (UTC)Though me, I am looking forward to whatever the equivalent of the Director's Cut is, in due course...
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Date: 2009-10-14 08:28 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2009-10-14 08:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-14 11:17 pm (UTC)Strength to your hand.
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Date: 2009-10-14 08:27 pm (UTC)…we really could not do this as a two-volume novel. I should, instead, cut the whole thing back to one volume.
OMG! Worse than the justice of Solomon, methinks. Although, as you say, 'tis not the fault of your wonderful editor and your publisher. While publishers' scouts are not always right about prevailing market conditions and what will sell (e.g., “What the great cheese-eating American public wants is a story of resolved conflict concerning young contemporary America couples earning over ten thousand dollars a year. But nothing sordid, controversial, outré, or passé.”), I reckon there's a better than even chance they are at least in the ballpark much of the time.
I can understand that a truly giant reduction in size is somehow easier than a ruthless pruning, but this whole thing is painful. You have my empathy, and my hugs. As always.
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Date: 2009-10-15 01:16 am (UTC)Since in this case actual two-volume novels, among which might have been mine if I had finished earlier, are actually failing to sell, I'm quite willing to believe that publishing one right now is a bad idea.
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Date: 2009-10-14 08:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-15 01:17 am (UTC)P.
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Date: 2009-10-14 08:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-15 01:17 am (UTC)And, since I have your attention, actually, you ARE an inspiration, truly.
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Date: 2009-10-14 08:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-15 01:18 am (UTC)I'm thinking it's more like hunting and gathering, but we'll see.
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Date: 2009-10-14 09:06 pm (UTC)I'd still love to read the two-volume version of this one sometime, though. I hope that will be possible someday.
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Date: 2009-10-15 01:19 am (UTC)P.
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Date: 2009-10-14 09:08 pm (UTC)Also it sounds just hellaciously cool, at any length. I wish I was a fast enough reader to beta-read novels because I would love to see all the iterations.
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Date: 2009-10-15 01:20 am (UTC)The iterations will be available at some point, or at least various resting points should be.
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Date: 2009-10-14 09:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-14 11:06 pm (UTC)P.
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Date: 2009-10-14 09:20 pm (UTC)Not being a writer, I can't feel your pain as clearly as others, but working on construction projects where the budget is a moving target, has to be a close second.
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Date: 2009-10-15 01:23 am (UTC)Thank you for the kind words. I am feeling fairly optimistic, but it is not an easy task I'm setting out on.
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Date: 2009-10-14 09:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-15 01:23 am (UTC)P.
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Date: 2009-10-14 09:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-14 09:30 pm (UTC)Make sure it's leatherbound (and gagged?), slipcased, numbered (use complex numbers, just for fun), illustrated, gold leafed, and signed.
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Date: 2009-10-14 09:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-15 01:26 am (UTC)Thank you.
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Date: 2009-10-14 09:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-15 01:26 am (UTC)P.
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Date: 2009-10-14 10:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-15 01:27 am (UTC)P.
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Date: 2009-10-14 10:25 pm (UTC)But but _I_ would buy it! I would buy lots and lots of copies! So would other people! Dude, when I heard 'new Pamela Dean novel' I turned into the literary equivalent of Daffy Duck. MINE MINE MINE.
I have the two-volume version safe in multiple backups
I am very glad of that. Well. Damn. I wish you strength and inspiration and fortitude, as well.
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Date: 2009-10-15 01:28 am (UTC)Thank you for your kind wishes.
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Date: 2009-10-14 10:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-15 01:28 am (UTC)Thank you.
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Date: 2009-10-14 10:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-15 01:29 am (UTC)I'd have to mess with the structure again for that, too, and that is really not my strong suit, so it may be just as well, however distressing in the short run.
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Date: 2009-10-14 11:11 pm (UTC)I am also wincing in sympathy. And grumbling. I don't suppose there is any chance that, instead of cutting it, you can expand the number of volumes? No, didn't think so. Mumph.
I have no doubt whatsoever that you can do a magnificent job of this, I just wish you didn't have to. I keep remember what Zelazny said about "The Last Defender of Camelot" in his introduction to that story.
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Date: 2009-10-15 01:33 am (UTC)It has been and will be a great comfort to me that you liked the book you read.
The waltz is staying in, so your instruction will not have been wasted.
David has quoted that Zelazny line for me already. That's why I am not doing that.
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Date: 2009-10-14 11:17 pm (UTC)When you say that the cut characters and subplots could go into a sequel, do you mean "a sequel is possible if the first is outstandingly successful," or what?
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Date: 2009-10-15 01:35 am (UTC)P.
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Date: 2009-10-15 01:35 am (UTC)P.
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