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For those of you who know about this, this is news from last week, not a recurrence.



I am prone to occasional spells of tachycardia. I have been to the ER and the walk-in clinic for them, and the only thing anybody has ever been able to find wrong with me is dehydration. I accordingly drink a huge amount of water and, when I start to become aware of my heartbeat and am not running a marathon or dashing up and down the stairs or -- well, you get the idea -- I drink a bottle of Gatorade. I had one of these episodes on October 23. Gatorade more or less beat it back, but did not resolve it. I drank Gatorade intermittently all weekend, to no avail. On Sunday night my pulse rate was 116, which was unnerving me; and I was short of sleep, because it is hard to sleep when your heart is hammering. I take a beta blocker for hypertension, and this tends to dampen down such symptoms during the day. They wait to raise their tedious and annoying heads at bedtime, or wake me up in the wee hours. In any case, 116, while extremely noticeable, is below the emergency level.

Raphael offered to take me to the ER if I thought I should go, and would be able to do so up to perhaps four or five a.m. I was not really inclined to go, because I knew that I would waste four to six hours of very busy people's time, annoy the insurance company, and come home with a bruise on my arm but no more wisdom than before. I stuck it out til morning and called my clinic. To my increased annoyance, the nurse I talked to told me to go to the ER.

I accordingly did. Everybody was very nice, as they always are. My EKG was perfect, the heart monitor showed no problems, all my labs were gorgeous. They gave me two bags of intravenous fluids (ow) and sent me home in a record four hours. I felt fine, aside from not having had much sleep, until bedtime Monday, when the whole thing started up again. I drank Gatorade, I drank chamomile tea, I drank water, I paced around. At one point my pulse rate was 121, so Raphael got ready to take me in. I was getting dressed when I realized that I did not feel so frenzied. I checked my pulse. A hundred and five. I told Raphael not to hurry, and checked it again in 15 minutes. Ninety-three. I went back to bed. In the morning I called the clinic again, because it is a new thing that two bags of fluids have not vanquished whatever the heck this problem is. They made me a followup appointment with my regular doctor for November 5 and said I could go in to the Direct Care Clinic the next day if I liked. I said I would, bracing myself for another rocky night.

I had a delightful night, other than the part where I had to get up early to go to the clinic. I knew they wouldn't find anything, and they didn't. They kindly drew blood to check my thyroid, which the ER had not done; the results came back that afternoon and were normal.

Today I saw my doctor, and to my immense pleasure he took me off both the diuretics I have been taking for years and put me on a low dose of my old ACE inhibitor to compensate for the removal of the modest pressure-lowering effect of the diuretics. I have hated those things for years and I do so hope I won't have to go back to them, ever again. I also hope, of course, that this course stops the episodes of tachycardia once and for all.

My doctor told me that there were three possible ways to proceed: if I thought my episodes were caused by anxiety, he could give me Xanax or something like it that I could take when I started feeling anxious. However, I don't get anxious until my heart is really pounding away, so it is a result, not a cause, of the problem.

The second possibility would be to give me Clonidine or something like it, which reduces pulse rate by a different mechanism than the beta blocker, since I am maxed out on the latter. In my house, we always refer to this drug as "the evil drug Clonidine." I was on it briefly in 2002, and, frankly, I would rather go on having tachycardia. I indicated this.

The third possibility was the one we chose. I am really crossing my fingers here. These episodes seem benign enough, but I'm tired of them.

Oh, and in case anyone is wondering: No: no chest pain, no shortness of breath, no dizziness or light-headedness, no skipped heartbeats, no indigestion (other than that caused by too much Gatorade).

Pamela
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Date: 2009-11-06 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinboy.livejournal.com
Sorry to hear about all this. medical woes are awful. I wish you fast recovery, wise and compassionate doctors, and restorative rest.

Date: 2009-11-06 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] txanne.livejournal.com
I wish you much healthful, roborative sleep.

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Date: 2009-11-06 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wintersweet.livejournal.com
Okay, glad you specified no shortness of breath (since you can get tachycardia with pulmonary embolisms, which is what I had this summer, and they're incredibly underdiagnosed, I was wondering).

I hope this makes it goes away, and that there is no underlying undiscovered issue, and you feel better.

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Date: 2009-11-06 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angeyja.livejournal.com
I have it some times too. Bit of a mystery here also. Not lately. Yeah.

Sending Best wishes with the third.

Angela

Date: 2009-11-06 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faithhopetricks.livejournal.com
My EKG was perfect, the heart monitor showed no problems, all my labs were gorgeous.

I am so glad to hear this, altho man, going in to the ER for scary cardiac symptoms and hearing 'Nothing wrong with you!' can really suck, especially when they persist. I do hope being taken off the diuretics works.

Date: 2009-11-06 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dichroic.livejournal.com
I have a suggestion that may help with the indigestion: dilute the Gatorade 1 to 1 with water.

This is based on the advice of a rowing coach who's very up on physiology (she's the women's coach at USCD and also does Masters (adult) clinics, which is where I worked for her) and corroborated by my experience with it, as an easily-dehydrated person who used to live in Phoenix.

I well know that once you get behind on hydration there are times when water alone won't cut it and you need Gatorade; Coach Patty's reasons for diluting it are that Gatorade is too sweet and you're likely to get a sugar spike followed by a sugar crash. I find that diluted Gatorade works just as well (or maybe better) for rehydration. And avoiding that sugar spike may even help the tachycardia by not giving you a sugar high just when you're trying to calm your body down.

(I try not to make medical suggestions unless like this they fall into the category of "couldn't hurt". Which reminds me, in winter chicken broth might work well, too.)

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Date: 2009-11-06 01:15 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] 17catherines.livejournal.com
Sounds frightening, and I'm glad you are feeling better. I hope your third option works.

Catherine

Date: 2009-11-06 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skylarker.livejournal.com
I've got my fingers crossed that this third option will resolve the issues. It sounds likely, what with having been on a diuretic and the problems being linked to dehydration.

Date: 2009-11-06 01:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redbird
I hope Option 3 works well.

Date: 2009-11-06 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huladavid.livejournal.com
I went into the ER once for tachycardia, back when I was living with Ken & Giovanna in Sue Grandy's old place. The docs rushed me into a room once I mentioned my dad's heart attack, which was kinda nice but somewhat unnerving. Turned out they thought I had the "least bad"* version of tach., and I'm pretty sure I'd brought it on because I'd gone back to work before I was completely over the flu.

I still get it, when I haven't been taking care of myself. I use it more as a signal to slow down these days.

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*See kids, this is what happens when you don't learn to spell.

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Date: 2009-11-06 02:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] huladavid.livejournal.com
Oh, and hope all's well now.

Date: 2009-11-06 02:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raphaela.livejournal.com
That makes for an eventful week. I'm glad to hear that you are back on balance.

Date: 2009-11-06 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com
Hassle and stress and uncertainty. Not yay.

K.

Date: 2009-11-06 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shweta-narayan.livejournal.com
*hugs* and I hope this course of action will solve the tach. (not going to try spelling that just now) issues for you.

Date: 2009-11-06 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] willshetterly.livejournal.com
Hoping the best for you. Which is, well, what I always do, so I'm hoping the extra-best now.

Date: 2009-11-06 04:53 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] gerisullivan.livejournal.com
Here's to optimal results through Door Number 3.

Ack! Sending blessings!

Date: 2009-11-06 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shalanna.livejournal.com
Good grief! My mother had the opposite--the really SLOW pulse. But my other aunt has had episodes of tachycardia on and off. They've never figured out why, of course!

Diuretics are scary. Glad you're going off of them.

Will add you to our prayer list. I have a feeling this is going to clear up now, though. It's just boring to go to the ER all the time. And that's where I caught this stupid cold, I'm sure of it--merely standing in the ER waiting area looking for my cousin the other day. Evil germs. So stay out of ER as much as possible, is my policy.

(((((hugs))))

Date: 2009-11-06 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamshark.livejournal.com
It sounds like your doctors have done a thorough job of checking for all the bad things that could cause this. I hope it has relieved your mind.

If it's a relatively new thing it could be related to perimenopause.

Or maybe it really is a side effect of prescriptions that you really didn't need to be taking anyway. That would be a win-win, wouldn't it? No more scary episodes in the middle of the night AND you get to stop taking the meds you hated.

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Date: 2009-11-06 08:30 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oursin.livejournal.com
Sorry to hear about all this, and hope that it has now been effectively sorted.

stupid bodies

Date: 2009-11-06 09:28 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pir-anha.livejournal.com
blasted tachycardia with unknown etiology. i have an attack now about every 3 months -- about due for one now; always out of the blue (always at night, too), with no discernable pattern, and none of the tests and the poking has brought forth a diagnosis. i am pre-diabetic, but got that under control with dietary changes.

the original attack very likely had something to do with extremely high BP (over 240), and i've been taking metoprolol and micardis+ ever since. my BP is very good now on the meds, but i still get the tach attacks. and while i no longer go to the ER for them (they've been much more benign than the first 3, usually my pulse does not get up over 120), having your heart beat irregularly for 10 or 12 or more hours is, AYKB, deeply unnerving to one's body. i am always completely exhausted afterwards, even if i didn't do anything. on the plus side, i seem to have gotten so used to it that i can actually fall asleep at times while my heart is still in tach.

so while i am no longer on active "death watch" as the paramour jokes, i hate not knowing what causes this. the + in micardis+ is a diuretic. i can't say it bothers me any, so i've not thought of cutting back. i have cut back the metoprolol by half, with no ill effects. hm. if this works out for you, i'd be very interested in discussing this with my new doctor.

glad you're feeling better now! i'm hoping this works for you.

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Date: 2009-11-06 12:17 pm (UTC)
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Did anyone ask you about your calcium intake or check your calcium levels?

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Date: 2009-11-06 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com
Pu erh tea is helping me. I don't know if it would help you, but it couldn't possibly do any harm to try some one morning.

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Date: 2009-11-06 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clindau.livejournal.com
Quite an eventful time! I hope Option #3 works out. See you in a few days--whee!!

Date: 2009-11-06 06:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] intelligentrix.livejournal.com
I had some serious side-effects from the diuretic I was on -- hydrochlorothiazide -- which were very similar to the ones you describe. As soon as I went off it the symptoms abated and have not returned. My current doctor is of the mind that diuretics are over-prescribed on dubious grounds and has me on norvasc for my hypertension.

Good luck with your current medical issues; they certainly sounds very unpleasant.

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Date: 2009-11-08 01:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lcohen
ack! i hope the new regimen is working and that you don't have any recurrences.
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