For those of you who know about this, this is news from last week, not a recurrence.
I am prone to occasional spells of tachycardia. I have been to the ER and the walk-in clinic for them, and the only thing anybody has ever been able to find wrong with me is dehydration. I accordingly drink a huge amount of water and, when I start to become aware of my heartbeat and am not running a marathon or dashing up and down the stairs or -- well, you get the idea -- I drink a bottle of Gatorade. I had one of these episodes on October 23. Gatorade more or less beat it back, but did not resolve it. I drank Gatorade intermittently all weekend, to no avail. On Sunday night my pulse rate was 116, which was unnerving me; and I was short of sleep, because it is hard to sleep when your heart is hammering. I take a beta blocker for hypertension, and this tends to dampen down such symptoms during the day. They wait to raise their tedious and annoying heads at bedtime, or wake me up in the wee hours. In any case, 116, while extremely noticeable, is below the emergency level.
Raphael offered to take me to the ER if I thought I should go, and would be able to do so up to perhaps four or five a.m. I was not really inclined to go, because I knew that I would waste four to six hours of very busy people's time, annoy the insurance company, and come home with a bruise on my arm but no more wisdom than before. I stuck it out til morning and called my clinic. To my increased annoyance, the nurse I talked to told me to go to the ER.
I accordingly did. Everybody was very nice, as they always are. My EKG was perfect, the heart monitor showed no problems, all my labs were gorgeous. They gave me two bags of intravenous fluids (ow) and sent me home in a record four hours. I felt fine, aside from not having had much sleep, until bedtime Monday, when the whole thing started up again. I drank Gatorade, I drank chamomile tea, I drank water, I paced around. At one point my pulse rate was 121, so Raphael got ready to take me in. I was getting dressed when I realized that I did not feel so frenzied. I checked my pulse. A hundred and five. I told Raphael not to hurry, and checked it again in 15 minutes. Ninety-three. I went back to bed. In the morning I called the clinic again, because it is a new thing that two bags of fluids have not vanquished whatever the heck this problem is. They made me a followup appointment with my regular doctor for November 5 and said I could go in to the Direct Care Clinic the next day if I liked. I said I would, bracing myself for another rocky night.
I had a delightful night, other than the part where I had to get up early to go to the clinic. I knew they wouldn't find anything, and they didn't. They kindly drew blood to check my thyroid, which the ER had not done; the results came back that afternoon and were normal.
Today I saw my doctor, and to my immense pleasure he took me off both the diuretics I have been taking for years and put me on a low dose of my old ACE inhibitor to compensate for the removal of the modest pressure-lowering effect of the diuretics. I have hated those things for years and I do so hope I won't have to go back to them, ever again. I also hope, of course, that this course stops the episodes of tachycardia once and for all.
My doctor told me that there were three possible ways to proceed: if I thought my episodes were caused by anxiety, he could give me Xanax or something like it that I could take when I started feeling anxious. However, I don't get anxious until my heart is really pounding away, so it is a result, not a cause, of the problem.
The second possibility would be to give me Clonidine or something like it, which reduces pulse rate by a different mechanism than the beta blocker, since I am maxed out on the latter. In my house, we always refer to this drug as "the evil drug Clonidine." I was on it briefly in 2002, and, frankly, I would rather go on having tachycardia. I indicated this.
The third possibility was the one we chose. I am really crossing my fingers here. These episodes seem benign enough, but I'm tired of them.
Oh, and in case anyone is wondering: No: no chest pain, no shortness of breath, no dizziness or light-headedness, no skipped heartbeats, no indigestion (other than that caused by too much Gatorade).
Pamela
I am prone to occasional spells of tachycardia. I have been to the ER and the walk-in clinic for them, and the only thing anybody has ever been able to find wrong with me is dehydration. I accordingly drink a huge amount of water and, when I start to become aware of my heartbeat and am not running a marathon or dashing up and down the stairs or -- well, you get the idea -- I drink a bottle of Gatorade. I had one of these episodes on October 23. Gatorade more or less beat it back, but did not resolve it. I drank Gatorade intermittently all weekend, to no avail. On Sunday night my pulse rate was 116, which was unnerving me; and I was short of sleep, because it is hard to sleep when your heart is hammering. I take a beta blocker for hypertension, and this tends to dampen down such symptoms during the day. They wait to raise their tedious and annoying heads at bedtime, or wake me up in the wee hours. In any case, 116, while extremely noticeable, is below the emergency level.
Raphael offered to take me to the ER if I thought I should go, and would be able to do so up to perhaps four or five a.m. I was not really inclined to go, because I knew that I would waste four to six hours of very busy people's time, annoy the insurance company, and come home with a bruise on my arm but no more wisdom than before. I stuck it out til morning and called my clinic. To my increased annoyance, the nurse I talked to told me to go to the ER.
I accordingly did. Everybody was very nice, as they always are. My EKG was perfect, the heart monitor showed no problems, all my labs were gorgeous. They gave me two bags of intravenous fluids (ow) and sent me home in a record four hours. I felt fine, aside from not having had much sleep, until bedtime Monday, when the whole thing started up again. I drank Gatorade, I drank chamomile tea, I drank water, I paced around. At one point my pulse rate was 121, so Raphael got ready to take me in. I was getting dressed when I realized that I did not feel so frenzied. I checked my pulse. A hundred and five. I told Raphael not to hurry, and checked it again in 15 minutes. Ninety-three. I went back to bed. In the morning I called the clinic again, because it is a new thing that two bags of fluids have not vanquished whatever the heck this problem is. They made me a followup appointment with my regular doctor for November 5 and said I could go in to the Direct Care Clinic the next day if I liked. I said I would, bracing myself for another rocky night.
I had a delightful night, other than the part where I had to get up early to go to the clinic. I knew they wouldn't find anything, and they didn't. They kindly drew blood to check my thyroid, which the ER had not done; the results came back that afternoon and were normal.
Today I saw my doctor, and to my immense pleasure he took me off both the diuretics I have been taking for years and put me on a low dose of my old ACE inhibitor to compensate for the removal of the modest pressure-lowering effect of the diuretics. I have hated those things for years and I do so hope I won't have to go back to them, ever again. I also hope, of course, that this course stops the episodes of tachycardia once and for all.
My doctor told me that there were three possible ways to proceed: if I thought my episodes were caused by anxiety, he could give me Xanax or something like it that I could take when I started feeling anxious. However, I don't get anxious until my heart is really pounding away, so it is a result, not a cause, of the problem.
The second possibility would be to give me Clonidine or something like it, which reduces pulse rate by a different mechanism than the beta blocker, since I am maxed out on the latter. In my house, we always refer to this drug as "the evil drug Clonidine." I was on it briefly in 2002, and, frankly, I would rather go on having tachycardia. I indicated this.
The third possibility was the one we chose. I am really crossing my fingers here. These episodes seem benign enough, but I'm tired of them.
Oh, and in case anyone is wondering: No: no chest pain, no shortness of breath, no dizziness or light-headedness, no skipped heartbeats, no indigestion (other than that caused by too much Gatorade).
Pamela
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Date: 2009-11-06 12:48 am (UTC)I hope this makes it goes away, and that there is no underlying undiscovered issue, and you feel better.
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Date: 2009-11-06 01:19 am (UTC)The first couple of times I had this problem they did check very carefully for pulmonary embolisms, even absent the shortness of breath, but they aren't doing that any more, understandably.
I hope you are all recovered.
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Date: 2009-11-06 12:51 am (UTC)Sending Best wishes with the third.
Angela
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Date: 2009-11-06 01:19 am (UTC)P.
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Date: 2009-11-06 12:54 am (UTC)I am so glad to hear this, altho man, going in to the ER for scary cardiac symptoms and hearing 'Nothing wrong with you!' can really suck, especially when they persist. I do hope being taken off the diuretics works.
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Date: 2009-11-06 01:12 am (UTC)This is based on the advice of a rowing coach who's very up on physiology (she's the women's coach at USCD and also does Masters (adult) clinics, which is where I worked for her) and corroborated by my experience with it, as an easily-dehydrated person who used to live in Phoenix.
I well know that once you get behind on hydration there are times when water alone won't cut it and you need Gatorade; Coach Patty's reasons for diluting it are that Gatorade is too sweet and you're likely to get a sugar spike followed by a sugar crash. I find that diluted Gatorade works just as well (or maybe better) for rehydration. And avoiding that sugar spike may even help the tachycardia by not giving you a sugar high just when you're trying to calm your body down.
(I try not to make medical suggestions unless like this they fall into the category of "couldn't hurt". Which reminds me, in winter chicken broth might work well, too.)
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Date: 2009-11-06 01:21 am (UTC)I'm a vegetarian, alas, but vegetable stock might not be a bad idea either.
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Date: 2009-11-06 01:15 am (UTC)Catherine
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Date: 2009-11-06 02:53 am (UTC)I still get it, when I haven't been taking care of myself. I use it more as a signal to slow down these days.
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*See kids, this is what happens when you don't learn to spell.
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Date: 2009-11-06 06:21 am (UTC)The first time I went in with this, they gave me a wheelchair.
Glad you're okay. I guess a signal to slow down is useful, but couldn't your body just send email?
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Date: 2009-11-06 06:22 am (UTC)Well, today now.
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Ack! Sending blessings!
Date: 2009-11-06 05:31 am (UTC)Diuretics are scary. Glad you're going off of them.
Will add you to our prayer list. I have a feeling this is going to clear up now, though. It's just boring to go to the ER all the time. And that's where I caught this stupid cold, I'm sure of it--merely standing in the ER waiting area looking for my cousin the other day. Evil germs. So stay out of ER as much as possible, is my policy.
(((((hugs))))
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Date: 2009-11-06 06:27 am (UTC)That's actually most of what I was worrying about while I was in the ER -- what else I might catch.
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Date: 2009-11-06 06:05 am (UTC)If it's a relatively new thing it could be related to perimenopause.
Or maybe it really is a side effect of prescriptions that you really didn't need to be taking anyway. That would be a win-win, wouldn't it? No more scary episodes in the middle of the night AND you get to stop taking the meds you hated.
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Date: 2009-11-06 08:30 am (UTC)stupid bodies
Date: 2009-11-06 09:28 am (UTC)the original attack very likely had something to do with extremely high BP (over 240), and i've been taking metoprolol and micardis+ ever since. my BP is very good now on the meds, but i still get the tach attacks. and while i no longer go to the ER for them (they've been much more benign than the first 3, usually my pulse does not get up over 120), having your heart beat irregularly for 10 or 12 or more hours is, AYKB, deeply unnerving to one's body. i am always completely exhausted afterwards, even if i didn't do anything. on the plus side, i seem to have gotten so used to it that i can actually fall asleep at times while my heart is still in tach.
so while i am no longer on active "death watch" as the paramour jokes, i hate not knowing what causes this. the + in micardis+ is a diuretic. i can't say it bothers me any, so i've not thought of cutting back. i have cut back the metoprolol by half, with no ill effects. hm. if this works out for you, i'd be very interested in discussing this with my new doctor.
glad you're feeling better now! i'm hoping this works for you.
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Date: 2009-11-06 03:53 pm (UTC)I too presented with some shocking blood pressure numbers back in 2002 -- 225/120 or some such nonsense -- and once they'd been through their check and not found anything large and scary that would kill me at once, they got very interested in the tachycardia. I'm on metoprolol too. The tachycardia, however, didn't reappear until I was put on the second diuretic, so I'm not sure our cases are parallel. It can't possibly hurt to ask, though, and I'll be sure to post about the results of going off diuretics.
The diagnosis of dehydration as the cause is based partly on the fact that when they did an echocardiogram in 2005, the cardiologist noticed that the heart was normal but my veins were kind of collapsed, indicating dehydration; and I partly on the fact that I had exactly the same symptoms when I ended up in the ER after failing my colonoscopy prep. That was more severe and my potassium was actually low, but the feeling was exactly the same, and the tremors. (Ugh.)
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Date: 2009-11-06 06:59 pm (UTC)Good luck with your current medical issues; they certainly sounds very unpleasant.
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Date: 2009-11-06 08:12 pm (UTC)And thanks for the good wishes. I wanted to complain a little, but truly, I'm lucky; really scary underlying causes have been ruled out, so while the whole thing is tedious and disruptive, at least I'm not fretting about truly alarming things.
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