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This account goes back to sometime around Christmas, and is not really in any particular order. There are some spoilers, but no major ones.

Going, by Sumner Locke Elliot. Kindly either given or lent me by [livejournal.com profile] papersky, an innocuous little hardcover in good condition. Very early on, I flipped to the copyright page and looked at the date. Nineteen seventy-five. It fits neatly into the category of if-this-goes-on science fiction, being set in a version of the United States where, returning over the border, you have to salute the flag and say you love God; where people are euthanized at the age of sixty-five; where the place is ruled by amalgams of Nehemiah Scudder and Horatio Alger; where dissidents are subjected to various kinds of chemical brainwashing and wear paper dresses; where the air has been scrubbed so clean that you can't smell anything. I was deeply freaked out by some of this. In the first place, it's not my experience that American religious fanatics give a single solitary rat's ass for the quality of the air; and even if they did, I can't imagine by what method you would get air that didn't smell of anything, as if the entire outdoors were a gigantic space station with lifeless recycled air. (I never really believed in those either, but they were something of a staple in sf for a time.) I also had a lot of trouble recalling that it was set in the U.S. It kept reminding me of all those Peter Dickinson novels about people saddled with huge rotting estates who always have house parties. I suppose it's quite likely that the kind of upper-crust New England family that comprises most of the main characters is very similar to those Dickinson characters. In any case, I kept saying, "But, but, but -- " about all this background material. But the characters, especially the protagonist, were just magnificent. I believed in their world because if I didn't I couldn't read about them. The protagonist is having her 65th birthday at the beginning; the story of that day is told interspersed with flashbacks to how things got to this state. It's funny and terrifying and pathetic and tragic and almost nauseatingly suspenseful. The insights finally granted to the protagonist addressed a different level of "But, but, but -- " that I'd been uttering about economics and class structure; the ending is suddenly profoundly nuanced, stepping outside the natural preoccupations of the sympathetic characters.

Crooked Little Heart, by Anne Lamott. I found Anne Lamott's book on writing, Bird by Bird, long ago, and liked it so much that I resisted reading her fiction for years. I am painfully aware that good writers may speak nonsense about the process of writing, and bad ones speak wisdom. It's very trying. I finally picked up Crooked Little Heart because I was very much in the mood for a kind of writing that I vaguely refer to as "lots of daily life," and while I ordinarily read mystery novels for that, I didn't feel like blood and death and recrimination. I had read the author's Operating Instructions, which is a diary of her son's first year, and abundant with just that kind of daily life, and I thought she might put the same kinds of detail in her fiction. (I didn't just reread Operating Instructions because it's very emotional and painful and I wasn't up for that, either.) Indeed she did. I really can't judge the book, having fallen haplessly in love with it for its quirky metaphors, borderline-sane but very-real characters, and its profound love for its setting. I first visited California in September of 2003, as patient readers of this journal will hardly have been able to forget. The book is set in Bayview, which Eric tells me he would describe as a suburb of San Francisco. It has the birds and plants I saw; it has a pivotal scene at the Russian River, which we visited; it is full of the experiences I had, only viewed by people who live there. It also had a tremendous lot about girls' tennis that didn't bore me to tears, which is quite an accomplishment. And oh, how it knows about teenagers.

Wizard's Holiday, by Diane Duane. A lot of what Diane Duane does as a writer is done exactly as I like. Except for that in Stealing the Elf-King's Roses, I like the language. I love the characters. The pacing and emphasis work for me; the notions of where the core of emotion is, what's important; and the details of daily life, too. But on a higher level I have a lot of difficulty with her stuff. Sometimes this matters more than other times. I didn't have trouble with the metaphysics or the internal morality of A Wizard Alone, for example. With this one, I loved reading it, I had a splendid time, right until I put it down and thought. Then I felt twitchy. It reminded me simultaneously of Perelandra and of The Dubious Hills. This may just be that both of us were influenced by Lewis. It also made me think in a very uneasy way of Valentine Michael Smith in Stranger in a Strange Land. There are aspects of that character, or more precisely of how that character is used by the author, that make me deeply uneasy. He has an absolute moral sense, he knows when people are just wrong, inalterably wrong, and so he can kill them. But at least he's in a satire, if a somewhat wobbly one. Kit and Nita know exactly what's right too, and they are not in a satire, and I don't think they are necessarily right. They are, of course, in their own universe. But something in the way it's done bothers me profoundly.

Enough for now, I think. I don't see that these ramblings are likely to be of much use to anybody else thinking of reading these books.

Pamela

Date: 2004-01-25 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noveldevice.livejournal.com
I bought (and will soon have time to read, I hope), Stealing the Elf-King's Roses due to your ramblings about it, so I don't think they're that useless. :)

Date: 2004-01-25 07:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lcohen
it's actually very helpful for putting my finger on something that has niggled at me about duane's books.

Date: 2004-01-25 07:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kyrielle
Yes. Some of the Wizard books I loved. Holiday was good reading, except that at the end it seemed like the wrap-up of one storyline was too pat/cheap and the other, as you note, seemed a bit...bankrupt. I mean, it ended, and the characters were satisfied, but I was not. And it made me look back on the rest of the book and realize that I was not entirely satisfied with earlier things, as well.

Date: 2004-01-25 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-greythist387.livejournal.com
Oh, but they are useful. I'm becoming a bit (http://www.steelypips.org/weblog/2003_12_01_archive.php#link_107258196545968042) worried (http://www.livejournal.com/users/melymbrosia/301589.html) about the absolutist trend people have identified in Duane's recent books (which trend I would like, selfishly, to return to the background). I'm going to read Wizard's Holiday anyway, and I wouldn't have noticed the fixity of moral universe-building so clearly in Roses without the blog comments linked above, but it's definitely mounting with successive books. I think the overt trend starts with Nita's kernel interactions in Wizard's Dilemma.

Date: 2004-01-26 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] desayunoencama.livejournal.com
But in Duane's worldview, don't wizards lose power as they age? That is, they're most powerful when they're youngest; perhaps it's the very wish-fulfillment of youth that provides that tremendous energy, which diminishes over the years as reality/disillusionment/maturity sets in.

Stranger in a Strange Land

Date: 2004-01-25 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dsgood.livejournal.com
I've heard that Heinlein had said Michael Valentine Smith was the villain rather than the hero. This is a FOAFtale ("I know it's true, because I heard it From A Friend of the barber who heard it from...), but there are things in the ending which make it plausible. And this is something Heinlein did at least once before, in the short story "They".

Re: Stranger in a Strange Land

Date: 2004-01-26 05:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supergee.livejournal.com
Darrell Schweitzer thinks Heinlein should have written the book that way, which would require that the Martian abilities be fake.
From: [identity profile] dsgood.livejournal.com
Evidence that writers aren't responsible for how people interpret their work: Neo-Tech, a magical cult based on the works of Ayn Rand. See the newsgroup alt.neo-tech.

Re: Stranger in a Strange Land

Date: 2004-01-26 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dsgood.livejournal.com
I don't see why. His grokking would have to be somewhat astigmatic, but otherwise a villain could have had such powers.

Re: Stranger in a Strange Land

Date: 2004-01-26 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dsgood.livejournal.com
It's quite possible that Heinlein thought dead people do indeed stand around in the clouds and discoursing that way.

It's less likely that he believed in Martian Old Ones.

Date: 2004-01-26 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com
Given. Though it's only the third copy of that book I've ever seen: there was the library copy I first read, the paperback I own, and then that one.

I had the great advantage of reading it when I was in school and knew nothing about the US. (The first time I read it I remember wondering what an air conditioner was.) Elliott was Australian, but he did live in the US later in life. I don't know what he was thinking, except that the people are so wonderful and the balance of the book is so wonderful that it doesn't matter. I wonder whether he wanted to write that end, that choice, and made up the whole context to put it in. And they are just so like a family would be in those circumstances.

Oh, and I think Hooper is called after Hooper in Brideshead Revisited.

I wonder if the air thing -- impossible, I agree -- is to do with the way interior air and temperature tend to be so noticeably controlled in the US? If that might have been something he noticed when he went there? Because it's just a symbol of control... the whole class thing is also very very peculiar.

why environmentalism

Date: 2004-01-26 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mgs.livejournal.com
Not having read the book, I perhaps shouldn't suggest author's motivations, but since the book seems to be depicting an american fascism, the author is perhaps drawing a parrallel to the Nazi's environmentalism.

While it's somewhat orthogonal, I'd like to recommend http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/
Rush, Newspeak and Fascism: An Exegesis. I got to this from something Patrick pointed to on electrolite. It's long and scholarly but well written, important, and frightening.

Date: 2004-01-26 02:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] oursin.livejournal.com
This book sounds vaguely like a book I read many years ago by Marya
Mannes, called They which also dealt with ageing people in an American dystopic society. But apart from that I can recollect very little about it. (Why do some once-read books, even ones I didn't like, stick in the mind, and others fade away into misty shreds?)

Date: 2004-01-26 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nolly.livejournal.com
The woman who works at my used bookstore recommended Anne Lamott a while back, but I got distracted by L'Engle's non-fiction, and none of Lamott's books leaped out at me (based on jacket-descriptions). Your review sounds rather more interesting, and I'll probably pick one up soon.

Date: 2004-01-26 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leaina.livejournal.com
CLH is a sequel to Rosie, though written many years later. I like CLH best of all Lamott's novels (and Rosie second best, I think); though I like her nonfiction better. (I loved your comment, I am painfully aware that good writers may speak nonsense about the process of writing, and bad ones speak wisdom. It's very trying. Sometimes I think that the more I love how a writer talks about writing, the less I will like her books. It's not that simple a correspondence, but certainly closer to that than to the opposite.)

I'd advise skipping Blue Shoe, Lamott's latest novel, though. Definitely not her best.

(And thanks for the discussion of the other books: Going sounds well worth looking for.)

Date: 2004-01-27 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrissa.livejournal.com
Ditto on Blue Shoe. Big fat meh. I liked All New People, though. (I think that's the title...it's early while I'm writing this. Her first book.)

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