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I'm thinking of starting a Patreon. I know, all the cool kids have done so already, but I am still thinking about it. For good or ill, that is how I roll.
David has supported my writing career since 1981. I have in fact made money from writing, and it came in very handy for any number of things. But after Juniper, Gentian, and Rosemary was published in 1998, I didn't sell any more novels. I wrote a synopsis and the first few chapters of a Liavek novel and submitted it to Tor, which rejected it. Then Harry Potter became a sensation, and Sharyn November started the Firebird line at Viking/Penguin and bought up and reissued much of my backlist. She also bought a new novel called Going North. Briefly, I turned the book in late and too long. It was suggested that I expand it into two volumes, which I did; but at that point two-volume fantasy novels were not doing well, so I was asked, and perhaps unwisely agreed, to try and shrink the even-longer revision back down to 100,000 words. This did not go well at all.
Going North was cancelled in 2012, and then took a very long time to be pried loose from the publisher that no longer wanted it. In the meantime, I worked on the Liavek novel and on a number of pieces of short fiction, none of which is as yet finished. I don't work fast, but I have been working. Last year, Patricia Wrede and I put together a collection of our Liavek stories from the original anthologies, added a story Pat had written that never got into any of the anthologies, newly-revised; and also added a brand-new collaborative story about some of the background of our characters and their ancestral connection. This was published by Diversion Books as Points of Departure. Diversion Books did a lovely job on the cover and editing and the entire project was very gratifying. Unsurprisingly, however, it did not really solve our financial problems.
In the meantime, the market for the kind of work David does has been evolving; and we've been limping from crisis to crisis and having a hard time making ends meet. The house has accumulated a lot of deferred maintenance. Once I got the rights to Going North back, I approached various agents with it, but none of them wanted to represent it. I am also, honestly, a bit out of patience with conventional publishing.
In response to this lack of patience, David and I recently started Blaisdell Press and reissued Juniper, Gentian, and Rosemary and The Dubious Hills. We are also going to reissue "Owlswater," a Secret Country novella originally published in Jane Yolen's Xanadu series. But reissues aren't enough. We fully plan to publish the new novel. However, it needs to be revised and expanded again from the state I got it into trying to reduce it to the contractually mandated 100,0000 words; and I haven't been able to settle to this properly because I am so worried about money and the state of the house. Also, with timing I will not dignify by describing it, I was just diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. This is stressful, time-consuming, and, even with insurance, expensive.
I am having a very hard time working. If I could generate some income, it would be much easier for me to concentrate as I need to, and we might be able to begin fixing things that need fixing, as well as continuing to pay our share of the mortgage and our health insurance premiums, buy groceries, and so on.
I know that many people write far more than I do while they too are dealing with chronic illness, day jobs, and other very pressing problems. But I write as fast as I write. What I have is this: these are my stories. Nobody else can tell them.
David continues to look for work and to do it when he gets it. He'll be teaching a course this fall, but that doesn't pay as much as it ought to.
I haven't thought through the levels yet, but among the things I am considering offering are such diverse elements as:
Scenes from the short stories I'm working on. These include one about wish-granting merpeople and one about astronomical werewolves. The latter is a result of having removed entire characters wholesale from Going North. There are several others too inchoate for an easy description.
Chapters from the Liavek novel. This takes place after the events of the last Liavek collection, and is about the theater.
Videos of me reading snippets of the offered passages.
Videos of me answering questions that supporters of the Patreon send in.
Cat pictures, of course. Possibly cat videos, though this depends more than photos do on the actual cooperation of the cats.
Chapters of the original very long and extremely opaque Going North.
Chapters of the even longer and still somewhat opaque two-volume version of Going North.
Posts about the process of revising the latest version of Going North, which will be sometimes subtle, but not actually opaque.
If there's actual interest, vegan and veganizable recipes I have made, with commentary. (I eat a diet that is mostly vegan but does encompass fish and occasionally sheep- or goats-milk cheese, but I have recipes for cheese substitutes, and some fish recipes work nicely with tofu.)
I'd like to say garden photos and essays, but the yard is one of the things that needs fixing. Well, there's certainly a lot of it and it does have a lot of things growing in it, as well as birds and dragonflies and bees and so on. So, I suppose, if there was interest in an ex-garden, or a garden that needs to be rehabilitated, it would be fairly easy to write about what's out there.
I know that some of you don't like dealing with unfinished work, or waiting a long time for something you've had a taste of. I will do the best I can not to be more dilatory than necessary.
What do you guys think? Is there anything else you'd like to see, in addition or instead?
Thanks very much.
Pamela
David has supported my writing career since 1981. I have in fact made money from writing, and it came in very handy for any number of things. But after Juniper, Gentian, and Rosemary was published in 1998, I didn't sell any more novels. I wrote a synopsis and the first few chapters of a Liavek novel and submitted it to Tor, which rejected it. Then Harry Potter became a sensation, and Sharyn November started the Firebird line at Viking/Penguin and bought up and reissued much of my backlist. She also bought a new novel called Going North. Briefly, I turned the book in late and too long. It was suggested that I expand it into two volumes, which I did; but at that point two-volume fantasy novels were not doing well, so I was asked, and perhaps unwisely agreed, to try and shrink the even-longer revision back down to 100,000 words. This did not go well at all.
Going North was cancelled in 2012, and then took a very long time to be pried loose from the publisher that no longer wanted it. In the meantime, I worked on the Liavek novel and on a number of pieces of short fiction, none of which is as yet finished. I don't work fast, but I have been working. Last year, Patricia Wrede and I put together a collection of our Liavek stories from the original anthologies, added a story Pat had written that never got into any of the anthologies, newly-revised; and also added a brand-new collaborative story about some of the background of our characters and their ancestral connection. This was published by Diversion Books as Points of Departure. Diversion Books did a lovely job on the cover and editing and the entire project was very gratifying. Unsurprisingly, however, it did not really solve our financial problems.
In the meantime, the market for the kind of work David does has been evolving; and we've been limping from crisis to crisis and having a hard time making ends meet. The house has accumulated a lot of deferred maintenance. Once I got the rights to Going North back, I approached various agents with it, but none of them wanted to represent it. I am also, honestly, a bit out of patience with conventional publishing.
In response to this lack of patience, David and I recently started Blaisdell Press and reissued Juniper, Gentian, and Rosemary and The Dubious Hills. We are also going to reissue "Owlswater," a Secret Country novella originally published in Jane Yolen's Xanadu series. But reissues aren't enough. We fully plan to publish the new novel. However, it needs to be revised and expanded again from the state I got it into trying to reduce it to the contractually mandated 100,0000 words; and I haven't been able to settle to this properly because I am so worried about money and the state of the house. Also, with timing I will not dignify by describing it, I was just diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. This is stressful, time-consuming, and, even with insurance, expensive.
I am having a very hard time working. If I could generate some income, it would be much easier for me to concentrate as I need to, and we might be able to begin fixing things that need fixing, as well as continuing to pay our share of the mortgage and our health insurance premiums, buy groceries, and so on.
I know that many people write far more than I do while they too are dealing with chronic illness, day jobs, and other very pressing problems. But I write as fast as I write. What I have is this: these are my stories. Nobody else can tell them.
David continues to look for work and to do it when he gets it. He'll be teaching a course this fall, but that doesn't pay as much as it ought to.
I haven't thought through the levels yet, but among the things I am considering offering are such diverse elements as:
Scenes from the short stories I'm working on. These include one about wish-granting merpeople and one about astronomical werewolves. The latter is a result of having removed entire characters wholesale from Going North. There are several others too inchoate for an easy description.
Chapters from the Liavek novel. This takes place after the events of the last Liavek collection, and is about the theater.
Videos of me reading snippets of the offered passages.
Videos of me answering questions that supporters of the Patreon send in.
Cat pictures, of course. Possibly cat videos, though this depends more than photos do on the actual cooperation of the cats.
Chapters of the original very long and extremely opaque Going North.
Chapters of the even longer and still somewhat opaque two-volume version of Going North.
Posts about the process of revising the latest version of Going North, which will be sometimes subtle, but not actually opaque.
If there's actual interest, vegan and veganizable recipes I have made, with commentary. (I eat a diet that is mostly vegan but does encompass fish and occasionally sheep- or goats-milk cheese, but I have recipes for cheese substitutes, and some fish recipes work nicely with tofu.)
I'd like to say garden photos and essays, but the yard is one of the things that needs fixing. Well, there's certainly a lot of it and it does have a lot of things growing in it, as well as birds and dragonflies and bees and so on. So, I suppose, if there was interest in an ex-garden, or a garden that needs to be rehabilitated, it would be fairly easy to write about what's out there.
I know that some of you don't like dealing with unfinished work, or waiting a long time for something you've had a taste of. I will do the best I can not to be more dilatory than necessary.
What do you guys think? Is there anything else you'd like to see, in addition or instead?
Thanks very much.
Pamela
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Date: 2016-07-09 12:57 am (UTC)If this bothers you, perhaps offer a percentage of their pledge back in Blaisdell Press credit. That way your patrons get your books for their patronage, which is the thing they cared about enough to be there in the first place.
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Date: 2016-07-09 01:46 am (UTC)I wasn't planning to do All the Things, just a selection, but cutting them back would certainly be easier. Giving supporters access to some of the things already written and to new stuff as it approaches a state where it's not embarrassing, would be fairly easy, since I'd be writing it anyway.
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Date: 2016-07-09 01:08 am (UTC)(I would, if you wanted to write a something, be amiable about a mix of cat pictures, outside things observed that intrigue you, and maybe things you've read or listened to or talked about with people that are interesting, but y'know, mostly at "I want more of your fiction, and am glad to support making it happen, the fiction is its own reward.")
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Date: 2016-07-09 01:47 am (UTC)P.
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Date: 2016-07-09 01:54 am (UTC)(Short version is yes, a Patreon is a great idea but I'd also like to help you make more money by actually selling your books. No guarantees - I've done this with a number of people and the success level has varied - but overall my record is good and most people who have taken my suggestions have had it work out for them. I won't be making any suggestions about how or what to write, just about how to profit from whatever you write or have already written.)
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Date: 2016-07-11 12:14 am (UTC)Large or small doesn't matter, it all adds up.
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Date: 2016-07-09 11:47 am (UTC)My personal experience with crowdfunding in general and Patreon in particular is that people are at the heart of it _most interested_ in supporting You, The Writer, and that the stories, pictures, whatever, is essentially bonus material to them no matter what it is. With Kickstarter since you're selling a particular project it's especially *nice* if it comes through, but an awful lot of people (including myself) tend to regard the eventual reward as like an unexpected, not necessarily anticipated, gift.
I love posts about the revision process from other writers, because it never works the same for anybody and I think that's fascinating. I'd be totally down for food blog stuff, because yay!
I'm pretty sure you could get mileage out of an Ex Garden topic. :)
An important thing is to try not to make too much *extra* work for yourself, so if you'd be inclined to do revision process posts anyway, y'know, that's a plus. But if you're really not emotionally inclined to do that, the truth is we're probably all pretty easy and if cat photos are on the menu, then that's what we'll have, and happily, if you'll just take our money. <3
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Date: 2016-07-11 12:10 am (UTC)Do let me know when the hardware problems abate, or in some other way. What I'm vaguely thinking at this point is to keep promised actions to a minimum but do extras when time and energy permit, so knowing what people want to see is good. I'd do pieces of works in progress and revision reports on Going North for sure. The first is easy and the second is something I'd want to do anyway, and also useful.
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Date: 2016-07-11 12:37 am (UTC)I have my little pile that I can spare, and I am supporting writers I admire.
So do it, already, so I can sign on.
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Date: 2016-07-11 02:37 am (UTC)Also, if you start it soon we can spread the word at Worldcon.
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Date: 2016-07-11 04:48 am (UTC)Honestly. Thank you.
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Date: 2016-07-12 03:10 am (UTC)i would probably have to patreon at a very low level, but i'd be happy to do that.
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Date: 2016-07-12 04:31 am (UTC)Low levels are fine. It all adds up. Not being able to support with money but spreading the word is also great.
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Date: 2016-07-24 11:36 am (UTC)K.
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Date: 2016-07-25 05:08 am (UTC)As a supporter I would be glad to read your shopping lists, frankly; some readers just feel like that about some authors. But we would not be supporting you for goodies, but to have the chance to give back when your work has given us so very much.
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Date: 2016-07-25 04:51 pm (UTC)Thank you. I'll post here when the Patreon is up.
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Date: 2016-07-28 10:17 pm (UTC)These are my stories. Nobody else can tell them.
Amen.