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As many of you know, I usually make the pies for our family celebrations of Thanksgiving and Christmas. I also sometimes make a lemon meringue pie for David's birthday, but those are usually well-behaved. The holiday pies have always been a bit dicey since I took over from David's mother in the oughts sometime. They are never beautiful except by accident, but they are tasty.

David must have a mince pie for both holidays if at all possible; fortunately, the canonical mincemeat comes in a jar. If Lydy were here she might have made an apple pie, but she is out of town. I've made an apple pie myself quite frequently, and often I've made a vegan pumpkin pie. This has won cautious approval from the omnivores; the tang of the tofu, they say, makes it more like cheesecake, but often they eat some. Cameron and I like the pie quite a lot.

Thanksgiving's pies were fine, if sporting the usual raggedy, somehow distracted look that appears to be the hallmark of my pie crust. I hadn't been able to get my usual brand of silken tofu (Mori-Nu), so with trepidation I used Nasoya. I've had a lot of trouble with Nasoya, but it goes in the other direction: that is, if Nasoya brand tofu claims to be extra firm you can't be sure it won't fall apart in your hands when you try to take it out of the package. But the silken tofu is always silken. All of it is very soft. To my surprise, the pie was really great. Nasoya is less tangy and it was more like a pumpkin custard and less like a cheesecake. Cam and I liked it very much and the rest of them were less cautious in their approval. The only glitch in the Thanksgiving pie preparation was that I absent-mindedly made two two-crust batches rather than one of each. I put the extra dough in the freezer.

With Lydy gone and the core Christmas group being very small because my mother is 90, is very nervous about COVID19, and gets notions, and with my brother being allergic to pumpkin, I decided not to make a pumpkin pie at all. My brother had expressed interest in a tofu chocolate pie, so I decided to do that.

This required one two-crust pie and one one-crust pie. I had the dough for a one-crust pie in the freezer. So I made the two-crust pie recipe. I used the shortening I'd used at Thanksgiving, which claims to be Best By August 2022. I'd put it in the refrigerator after I made the Thanksgiving pies. When I opened the ziploc bag, I got a whiff of, well, shortening, which seemed weird when it was cold, but I don't usually refrigerate shortening. I made the dough. I chilled it. I rolled it out. It behaved really beautifully. I put the bottom crust in the pie plate and started to fold up the top one. Something seemed off. I picked up a scrap of dough and tasted it. It wasn't dramatically awful, but it was off. A sharp, weird taste, not flour or salt or water or shortening.

After quite a lot of yelling -- Cam was out shopping and David was downstairs, so I could be free with my expressions -- I put all the dough into the organics recycling and went downstairs to see if David and Lydy had any shortening. They had an eight-ounce unopened stick, which smelled harmless and proved to be so. I made and rolled out the dough for the second time, after washing such of the dough-making utensils as I had foolishly put in with other used dishes. That was all yesterday. I put the second batch of mince pie crusts in the refrigerator overnight, with the frozen lump of dough left over from Thanksgiving so it could thaw out.

Today I put the mince pie together and put it in the oven, where nothing bad happened to it. I took the thawed lump of dough from the fridge and rolled it out. It behaved badly, but not monstrously. I coaxed it together and put it in the pie plate and smashed the edges with a fork and pricked it all over the bottom. I tasted a scrap, and it tasted fine. The mince pie had ten minutes to go and the cats were piteously reminding me that they had not been fed for a century, so I put Saffron's thyroid medication into a pill pocket abd gave it to her with some Greenies; Cassie just got the Greenies. Then I sat on the sofa waiting for the timer for the mince pie to go off. Cassie sat next to me in case I had any treats in my pockets.

From the kitchen, I heard a thumping sound. I got up and went in. Saffron was standing on the dishwasher, the main work surface in that kitchen, licking the bottom of the pie dough. The cutting board the pie plate was sitting on is slightly warped, so every vigourous lick made the board thump against the top of the dishwasher. Otherwise, had she jumped down quietly enough, I would never have known. I had put all the other phases of the pie dough into the microwave, which is very capacious, to keep cats from messing with them, but I had honestly thought that if any cat did that, it would be Cassie. Saffron was unconcerned to be discovered and got down resignedly when I said, "Get down from there" in a low tone because Cameron was asleep. I put the defiled pie in the microwave.

I knew I would not do this, but I thought, "Well, hey, ten or twelve minutes at 425 F, surely that would sanitize it." I did some internet searches. Cats have licked a lot of pies, but mostly baked ones. Cats, as I know perfectly well, have a vast array of pathogens in their mouths. Cats lick their butts, for heaven's sake. I threw out the dough, washed the cutting board, the rolling pin, the pastry cutter, the top of the dishwasher, and the pie plate, got the last of the downstairs shortening out of the fridge, tossed a lump of margarine in with it, and made another batch of dough. This behaved middlingly, but by then I really did not care. I smashed the edges with a fork, pricked it all over, and shoved it into the oven, whence it emerged not long ago looking all right to be filled with chocolate tofu mixture when I have made it.

My mother is having a reaction to her booster shot, so I will also be making mashed potatoes and two kinds of roasted vegetables. But none of them are likely to cause anything like this amount of trouble, as long as I don't leave anything with olive oil on it sitting where Saffron can find it.

When Cam got up I went into her office, where Saffron was sleeping peacefully in the chair she considers her own, and said, "I'd like to introduce you to your new cat. This is your new cat. I have no cat."

I hope you have no tribulations at all, but that if you do, they are no worse than these.

Pamela

Date: 2021-12-24 11:29 pm (UTC)
asakiyume: (nevermore)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
Those tribulations would have had me throwing a temper tantrum. Ugh!!

Also, what you say about the dough is reminding me of the time I tried to cook with my father's long, long, LONG expired flour. I mean, I have cooked with flour past its expiry date, no problem, but this must have been ancient, because I swear, the resultant item--pancakes? cookies? I can't remember now--tasted like death. It was like eating the ashes from a funeral pyre. I threw everything away, bought my dad new flour, and have been VERY aware of flour expiry dates ever since.

--I don't think that was your crust problem. It's just that your experience reminded me of that experience.

Date: 2021-12-24 11:57 pm (UTC)
islenskr: (Default)
From: [personal profile] islenskr
Oh. NO. What a pain! I am so sorry you had to go through this. And then the cat. Of course. Good grief.

Date: 2021-12-25 12:04 am (UTC)
thistleingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thistleingrey
Ah, so much pie dough and tremendous effort! I'm glad that there were supplies with which to mend things.

Date: 2021-12-25 01:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] graydon

I'm sorry your eventual culinary victory had to be such a protracted struggle!

I do hope there's sufficient appreciation of the pies, come the day.

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Date: 2021-12-25 01:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dreamshark
We usually just buy frozen pies, or at the very least frozen pie crust. Fresh made is better, but not enough better (IMHO) to be worth even the low-level trials and tribulations of getting flour all over everything, much less what you had to go through. I admire your dedication.

Huh. Okay, that makes TWO people who love mince pie. Not only love it, but love it so much that they sulk if they don't get it. David is lucky to have someone to make it for him, because it is practically impossible to buy one anywhere (probably because there are only two people in the whole country that like it. It's probably more popular in England.)

Anyway, good job with the pies and Merry Christmas!

Date: 2021-12-25 02:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] graydon

My maternal grandmother made mince pies for Christmas and I don't recall anyone in my entire extended family not liking it.

(I now know I can't eat pie, but I miss mincemeat. One of the last holdouts of the medieval habit of putting meat and fruit together.)

Date: 2021-12-25 06:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minnehaha
I love mincemeat, and (as you know) made my 3-greats-grandmother's mincemeat recipe last year. I have some frozen, and may yet make a pie this holiday season. If I do, I'll bring a slice over.

K. [mine has beef and suet in it]

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Date: 2021-12-25 01:48 am (UTC)
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)
From: [personal profile] azurelunatic
What an adventure! I'm glad you got pies by the end of it all.

Date: 2021-12-25 03:58 am (UTC)
minoanmiss: Minoan Bast and a grey kitty (Minoan Bast)
From: [personal profile] minoanmiss
The cats are lucky they're cute.

Go you for persevering! I think I might have collapsed into tears and sherry at some point.

Date: 2021-12-25 05:03 am (UTC)
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Beautiful zeugma!

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Date: 2021-12-25 05:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rushthatspeaks
Oof. I admire your patience and fortitude in managing to produce pie regardless.

I managed to leave the house without my keys or wallet, so it's just kind of been one of those days...

Date: 2021-12-25 05:04 am (UTC)
carbonel: Beth wearing hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] carbonel
Cats! Butter wouldn't melt, and all that.

Had it been me, I probably would have been willing to eat the cat-licked pie myself, but I wouldn't have served it to anyone else. But I have a generally iron-like digestion.

I hope you have a lovely Christmas and no more food-related mishaps.

Date: 2021-12-25 05:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
When Cam got up I went into her office, where Saffron was sleeping peacefully in the chair she considers her own, and said, "I'd like to introduce you to your new cat. This is your new cat. I have no cat."


//laughing but sympathetic Oh nooo, kitty!

Date: 2021-12-25 06:20 am (UTC)
minnehaha: (Default)
From: [personal profile] minnehaha
Who is Cam?

K.

Date: 2021-12-25 07:27 am (UTC)
boxofdelights: (Default)
From: [personal profile] boxofdelights
I baked a pumpkin cheesecake today and forgot to put in the eggs.

It'll be fine, just dense, I hope.

And I lost a present! I have checked all of my hiding places. Past-me found a new one and didn't pass the message along. Surely I am not that dissimilar to past-me. If she thought of a new hiding place, I should be able to think of it too?

Ah, well, we are all still alive, so we are ahead of the game.

Date: 2021-12-25 07:34 am (UTC)
annofowlshire: From https://picrew.me/image_maker/626197/ (Default)
From: [personal profile] annofowlshire
Oh dear! I made sugar cookies with my 3.75 y/o yesterday and that was enough stress! My husband is a germophobe, he’d have had me throwing that pie crust straight out if a cat licked it, but I figure like our child’s often germy hands (no matter how frequently we wash them), the cooking will kill the worst of it XD (Please don’t discourage me these fantasies, and also we have no cats anymore so it’s an intellectual exercise.)

My husband loves mince pies. Can’t stand them myself (I cannot get near anything with raisins, the smell makes me nauseated), but luckily they are available in plenty in the shops here, along with Christmas cake and Christmas pudding. One year he made me a raisin-free Christmas cake and it was amazing.

Date: 2021-12-25 09:54 am (UTC)
cmcmck: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cmcmck
Oh dear!

Just heading for the kitchen myself, but I only have to cook for two of us

Date: 2021-12-26 12:17 am (UTC)
notyourwendy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] notyourwendy
That was a great deal of persistence in the face of adversity! I commend your patience.

Pie crust is one of those things I think about but I've never had luck with. I'm not the happiest with the frozen/refrigerated ones, but homemade always turns into such a wreck that I don't have other options. Pecan pie deserves a nice crust.

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Date: 2021-12-26 01:20 am (UTC)
centuryplant: A Halloween Pennant dragonfly (Default)
From: [personal profile] centuryplant
My name is Saf.
When you make feasts
and don't give vails
to hungry beasts
and Christmas day
is coming nigh—
I hop right up!
I lick the pie!

Date: 2021-12-27 12:44 am (UTC)
athenais: (Default)
From: [personal profile] athenais
Oh, such a lot of trouble over pies! But you were undoubtedly wise to throw out the licked dough.

May all the rest of your baking and cooking be trouble free. Happy Boxing Day!

Date: 2021-12-27 05:32 am (UTC)
sovay: (Viktor & Mordecai)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Saffron was standing on the dishwasher, the main work surface in that kitchen, licking the bottom of the pie dough.

Pastries in our house have suffered from depredation of cat, but at least they had the decency to wait until it was cooked! Yikes. I respect your ability to keep making pie.

*hugs*

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